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One of the things I like best about covering Disneyland is that rarely does a day go by that I don't learn something new about it. With all the unofficial blogs and now the company itself publishing all sorts of new and historical content on an almost daily basis nowadays you'd think there was not much left that hadn't been discussed or discovered.
But leave it to Michael Sandstrom though to rediscover a long lost architectural detail on Sleeping Beauty Castle that serves to underline the care and quality of the design work that went into it.
Our search begins among the many early renderings and photos of Sleeping Beauty's castle. Imagineer Herb Ryman's concept art gives us the first clue. Note the yellow arrow..
Already during construction a tree obscures the view...
The castle's finished, but that blocked view remains...
See how much larger the castle looks in the postcard above than it currently looks today?
Is this the only vintage photo of it?
Disney park enthusiasts are familiar with many tales about this landmark, such as how the top was turned backwards from its original design (which was looking too much like a copy of a real castle in Europe), or that it was named for the title character of a movie which would not be released for four years after the castle was built.
There are stories of it being home to ferrel cats, and that real gold was used on the tips of it’s spires, and how the walkthrough attraction inside was closed to public access for years when it was perceived as a terrorist target. All strange yet true. But who knew that some of it had gone missing from public view? (And no, not just that time David Copperfield made it all disappear on TV.)
A publicity photo from when the park celebrated it's 50th shows the turret was still hidden.
Recently Disney announced plans to transform a quiet corner west of the castle, home of the long-standing bandstand. The area has been a blandly quiet transitional space towards Frontierland for quite sometime now, but it was once busy serving ice cream and burgers and styled similar to Main Street. It literally swings on many an evening and hosts all kinds of young performers on most afternoons. Disney has said they intend to retain some aspects of the area as it is also turned into an annex of the castle to accommodate princess meet and greets. Fans were reassured that the evening swing dancing in this location would continue by Parks head Tom Staggs at the D23 Expo last August.
Princesses aren’t new to this area, they have long hung out in this corner of the park, often blocking the pathways and bridges leading there, so giving them a proper place to stand and greet their fans isn’t a bad idea. The trick is how to retain the subtle, lovely parts of the park while opening them up to greater use. That's not going to be easy.
The arrow in this case more or less indicates where the turret may be located.
The designs that have been shared publicly show the area which is now home to many tall trees will be transformed into more castle facade for royal purposes. Disneyland heavily relies upon trees to screen out, or frame in, numerous elements of its overall design; more so in recent years as the park and the outside world have grown up and intruded upon carefully crafted illusions from all angles.
At the same time, Disneyland has been losing big trees to the ravages of time. Forrested segments of the park are getting noticeably thinner behind Frontierland and Fantasyland and inbetween the two lands; lots of backstage buildings are currently visible that used to be hidden behind landscaping.
Perhaps most notable is the huge Fantasyland Theater tent in the back of the park which can now been seen from Main Street - looking as though it is a plastic part of the iconic castle. Losing more trees would be a shame and further degrade the beauty and transitions within the park.
Which brings us back to the the missing turret from Disneyland's castle. The planted berm on the west side serves an important function to counter-balance the spires of the castle, as do the gardens (enhanced by Snow White’s wishing well and fountain; the work of John Hench).
Sure, snacks now, but soon Princessess will take over. Castle is towards the right.
It’s certainly true that the current façade (the back side of Rancho del Zocalo on the Plaza Gardens side) is nothing to lament losing. It replaced a more Victorian looking pavilion many years ago and is so dull that it hardly belongs in Disneyland anyway. Extending Fantasyland architecturally out to this location would be an improvement. It just needs to be done well and kept in scale to the rest of the area to preserve the peaceful nature of the castle forecourt area.
Here's the fun part...if done right, perhaps we can even regain a glimpse of the long lost turret of Disneyland castle! You see, Walt had it out there all along...it’s just gotten lost under all those nice trees.
There it is!
The castle is quite small, but it was definitely designed to look bigger. However, changes over the years have reduced the effect drastically...including receding wraparound walls which can no longer be seen, tapering away from the sides...but they are still there!
The MicroSoft/Bing Map site gives us a Bird's-eye view of the little lost turret from behind and above.
Who knew there was so much more to the castle? (which could have been added by Tony Baxter’s team during the 1983 Fantasyland project, but I don’t think so. It will be fun to learn more from your reader comments). But here it is....
A little light pruning at the lower sight lines and more of the original castle can awaken once again. If they can keep most of the trees but expand and push the landscaping back toward the little lost turret, then the castle will appear to have grown in size and compliment the new princess meet and greet area as well.
It is my hope that they will restore the castle wall, reveal the little lost turret, and enhance the beauty of Disneyland Park.
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We recently had the opportunity to visit Disney's new Aulani Resort and Spa on Oahu and found it to be amazing. What's more, we were able to work a special deal and are offering a trip to this new resort at up to 40% off the regular rate. This is going to be an affordable chance to enjoy this resort along with all of the other things Oahu has to offer. This trip will take place June 23-30, 2012, and we have locked in PHENOMENAL deals on rooms of all sizes (even ocean view!). Come feel the ocean breeze with your MiceChat friends. Take tours, luau, snorkel and experience Hawaii as you never have before.
This coming weekend promises to be a memorable one, with the annual Christmas Candlelight Procession on Main Street USA. Until then, we have a few phenomenal photos from around the Disneyland Resort to enjoy. Then we ask about an iconic Disneyland Restaurant, that now resides in Yesterland. ~ Aladdin
Did you ever? Tragic wants to know if you ever ate at one of the most iconic restaurants at Disneyland. Unfortunately, this restaurant became part of Yesterland decades ago, but we would like to hear your memories of this part of Neverland!
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Hopefully everyone who celebrated Thanksgiving this past weekend had a wonderful celebration and scored some great Black Friday and/or Cyber Monday deals. This week we have questions about the Tower of Terror and restaurants, a look at Disney's Animal Kingdom, and much more! Take a look and see what the Walt Disney World forums have to share this week. ~yoyoflamingo
Tower of Terror Question
Is that....? A simple game of speculation: Is Amy Adams in the preshow movie to the attraction?
How often do reservations for restaurants open up?
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Rare early Walt Disney drawing up for auction in Reno WildForMrToad brings us news that an autographed drawing by Walt Disney from circa 1920 is up for auction in Reno. Got a few extra bucks laying around? So what would you pay for a pre-Mickey Mouse drawing by the man himself?
Where should the next DVC Resort be at?
Now that Aulani is open, where would you like to see the next DVC Resort? toonaspie has made some suggestions and invites you to join in and share your ideas.
Reflections of my Recent Visit
Breaking from the typical trip report, Supermatt70 with a detailed account of his recent trip to the Tokyo Disney Resort. There are great pictures and information, so be sure to take a look.
11/29: What if they pick you?
Kevin goes backstage at Disney World’s American Idol show, plus he has another great book out!
11/29: Magic Kindom Holiday Wishes, SeaWorld and Busch Gardens Christmas The Orlando Parks were busy doing their best to serve up a healthy helping of holiday cheer over Thanksgiving weekend. This week, we take a look at Mickey's Very Merry Christmas Party in the Magic Kingdom, to see exactly why they charge extra for something which has always been included at no additional charge at Disneyland. We then continue our look Busch Gardens holiday decorations as well as the Sea World festivities. And that's not all, we'll also take a side trip to the Gaylord Palms hotel for their annual ICE! display.
11/28: Changes in the Caribbean and Constructing Cars
The big Thanksgiving holiday crowds have passed and Disneyland enters a brief period of relatively light weekday crowds before winter break crowds hit the Resort later this month. This weekend will also see bigger crowds, especially in the evenings at Disneyland as the park hosts its extremely popular Candlelight Processional event. Back in New Orleans Square, the Pirates of the Caribbean has reopened after a lengthy refurbishment and brings some minor changes that will help with the guest experience for those visiting the attraction in a wheelchair. Over at Disney California Adventure, progress continues to be made at the 12-acre Cars Land project, including last week's installation of a new windmill prop.
11/27: Diabetic Dining on the Disney Dream We've just indulged in that grand American tradition of feasting on Thanksgiving turkey. Our pants may still be feeling a bit snug, which gets us thinking about our recent Micechat trip on the Disney Dream. We all worry about the amount of food we’ll eat on a cruise and not be able to fit in our clothing as we waddle off the ship, but it doesn’t have to be like this.
11/26: It’s A Very Disney Christmas at WDW and Tokyo Disneyland
We have a holiday packed Weekend Update today. We start out with a report from Walt Disney World courtesy of Denise Preskitt. She moves all around the resort covering the holiday finery at the hotels and the parks. Roger55 is back with more of his spectacular report from the Tokyo Disneyland Resort. This encyclopedic report on the Christmas decorations at TDR even extends to the train station! As promised last week, we have some more vintage Disneyland post cards from DisneylandPostcards.net. Finally, The Disneylander returns with photos from his epic life chapter in South Korea.
11/25: Pirates Return to Disneyland, Cars Land Comes Together, Knott’s Xmas and More
We hope your Thanksgiving was a good one and that your Black Friday brings you lots of great deals. Talking about great deals, we have another huge In The Parks update for you today . Pirates of the Caribbean finally returned to Disneyland a few hours after opening yesterday, and we were on the first boat over the falls. There are some changes, but not many. We'll also check on the progress of Cars Land and Buena Vista Street in Disney California Adventure. But we don't stop there. Let's take a taste of Christmas at Knott's, mosey through Magic Mountain, then sail through SeaWorld San Diego to see how merry and bright everything is this year.
11/25: Disney Goes Hawaiian Werner Weiss of Yesterland has been following the progress of Disney's Aulani hotel in Hawaii since it was just a design concept. In a long series of articles, we've watched Aulani come together from a bare piece of earth on a secluded bay to the tropical oasis it is today. One of Werner's readers recently visited Aulani and shares the following photos and thoughts with us.
11/24: From The Shelves of Samland Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at MiceChat. We hope your holiday is a safe and happy one. As the Christmas shopping rush begins tomorrow, Samland thought you'd appreciate some affordable Disney gift book reviews. We've got something traditional, something fun, something dirty and something delicious for you.
11/23: Electrifying Look Behind The Scenes at Epcot’s Test Track From The Mouth Of The Mouse is here with another fun Cast Member story. Speaking with us today is Sarah, a former employee of Epcot and Animal Kingdom. She has some fantastic behind-the-scenes stories to share with us. Trust me when I say you will never look at Test Track the same way ever again! Let's just say it's electrifying.
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